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	 Excerpts of a letter by Rabbi 
	Aharon Feldman Shlit"a, Rosh HaYeshiva Ner Yisroel:  
	 
		"Probably the public issue most damaging to the honor of Torah and to its 
	leaders in recent memory is what is known as the Slifkin affair. Rabbi Nosson Slifskin, a talented young man still in his twenties, wrote three 
	books in the past several years in which he attempted to justify certain 
	conflicts between the findings of modern science and parts of the Torah and 
	the Talmud. ... Nevertheless, in September of last year [2004] a public 
	letter banning the books was issued by some of the leading Torah authorities 
	in Israel, and then shortly afterwards a similar ban, signed by many 
	prominent American Roshey Yeshiva, was issued in the United States. The 
	books were banned because they were deemed to contain ideas antithetical to 
	Torah ... 
	The ban was met with resistance by Slifkin who 
	vigorously defended himself on his Internet site on several grounds." ...           
	 
	"Slifkin’s campaign was eminently successful. In short 
	time, most people were convinced that the ban had no basis or reason, and 
	that Slifkin had been unwarrantedly victimized. His campaign made the 
	signatories appear easily swayed and naive. Easily swayed, because they had 
	relied on the “extremists” and had not sufficiently checked the accuracy of 
	their claims. Naïve, because the tumult over the ban catapulted the books 
	into best-sellerdom. The books had been previously virtually unknown but 
	after the ban began selling by the thousands even at inflated prices – which 
	meant that the ban accomplished nothing." 
	"Blogspots, 
	Internet sites (mostly anonymous) where anyone with access to a computer can 
	express his spontaneous, unchecked and unedited opinion with impunity, 
	became filled with tasteless, derogatory attacks on these authorities, at 
	times to the accompaniment of vulgar caricatures." 
		"As 
	a result, many thoughtful, observant Jews were beset by a crisis of 
	confidence in the judgment of the signatories. This was an extremely vital 
	crisis since these authorities constitute some of the greatest Torah leaders 
	of our generation, authorities upon whom all of the Jewish people rely for 
	their most serious decisions. More important, it threatened to make any of 
	their future signatures on public announcements questionable. The irony of 
	it all is that the books, which had originally been written to defend the 
	honor of Torah, became one of the most potent vehicles in our times for 
	weakening the authority of Torah." ... 
		 
		
Rabbi 
Avraham Chaim Carmel on the Slifkin Controversy
 published at
DovidGottlieb.com 
[Rabbi Carmell is commenting on the following passage by Rabbi 
Nathan Slifkin:  
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:29:05 +0200  
From: Zoo Torah < @zootorah.com>  
Subject: RE: Basics for Philosophical discussions
 
.... 
Actually, if someone feels that one needs to have a sufficiently qualified 
authority upon which to rely for the allegorization of the Mabul, then I can 
provide one. It's a more authoritative source than the Rishonim. More 
authoritative even than Chazal. It's the Metziyus. Hashem's "diary of history," 
the physical world, states that there was no global Flood. I think that Hashem 
is a reliable source (unless, of course, He was deliberately deceiving us...). 
There is only one metziyus. On the other hand, there are different ways of 
understanding the Torah....]  
Dear Nosson הי"ו,  
 
As you realized on your last 
visit, my father, shlita, is unfortunately no longer in a position to 
discuss the issue of your books.  I 
would like to share with you some ideas I have discussed with him in the past.  
 
I have tried to imagine what would have been Rabbi 
Dessler’s position with regard to the ban against your books. 
The following three points come to mind:   
1) Rabbi Dessler advocated a healthy skepticism, to the point of contempt, 
towards the “conclusions” of scientism, in particular where these challenged the 
beliefs of a Torah Jew.  See the 
epilogue to Artscroll’s biography of Rav Dessler (p. 365), “Against the worship 
of Science”.   
He would not have taken kindly to your attitude that 
anything reported in “The New Scientist” as fact is to be accepted as such.  
 
2)  Rabbi Dessler, following in the footsteps of the Maharal, taught us to 
have the greatest reverence for Chazal and the tremendous siyatta 
diShmaya and divine insight that permeates all their teachings.  
 
I think that his advice to anyone tackling issues of 
science and Torah would have been to use their knowledge to discover, or come up 
with, alternative theories that the bias of scientism may have rejected, but may 
give more credence to Chazal.   
3) As you may have by now discovered, the main opposition of the Gedolim 
is to your attempt to “re-educate” or reformulate the thinking of the chareidi 
community.  As one person put it: 
“your worst crime” was to put haskamos on the books.  
 
Rabbi Dessler was 
uncharacteristically outspoken in his criticism of such attempts (see letters 
vol. 3).   
4)  Finally, regardless whether I am correct in my assessment of Rabbi 
Dessler’s attitude to the above, one thing is definite. 
After the fact, Rabbi Dessler would have accepted the decision of those
Rabbanim, Roshei Yeshiva and Mashgichim in whose hands Hashem has 
entrusted the directions of our generation. 
When Hashem showed Adam and Moshe, “dor dor vedorshav… manhigav” 
these are the names on that list.  
We can get no closer to Hashem’s ratzon than by listening to our 
Gedolim who have spent their entire lives in ascertaining the emes of 
Torah.  Even if, as a result of all 
the non-Torah ideas that we have read, their opinion seems to us to be 
incorrect, Hashem wants us to follow them. 
Their siyatta diShmaya in knowing what is good for Klal Yisrael 
is unimaginably greater than ours.  
Wishing you all the best,  
Avraham Chaim Carmell  
P.s. I saw a statement on your website to the effect 
that “G-d told you that the mabul never happened.” 
I would like to draw your attention to the Radak who writes that a 
navi sheker may truly believe that he had a Divine revelation about the 
falsehood he prophesizes about.  He 
is nevertheless chayav missa, because as a believing Jew, he is required 
to realize that he has allowed himself to be mislead by his imaginations (or as 
a horaas sha’a, since he is a danger to Klal Yisrael.) 
Letter by Rabbi Shalom Kamenetsky Shlit"a prior to the Ban
		
		
		From: 
		owner-avodah@aishdas.org  
		Sent:
		
		
		September 13, 2004 5:39 PM 
		To:
		
		
		Avodah - High Level Torah Discussion Group 
		Subject:
		
		
		Age of the Universe (Haskamos 
		to the Science of Torah by RNS) 
		
		
		 Rabbi Nossen Slifkin wrote on Avodah 
		(13:9): 
		
		
		>I do not accept that Ralbag only has validity if 
		backed up by Chazal,  
		>and Ralbag apparently didn't think so either. Rav Nadel's position is
		 
		>that Rambam (and, by the same token, Ralbag) give us a license to  
		>allegorize when there is necessary cause, such as overwhelming  
		>scientific evidence. My specific allegory in my sefer has haskamos from
		 
		>Rav Aryeh Carmell, Rav Sholom Kamenetzky, and Rav Mordechai Kornfeld, 
		shlita. 
		
		
		 I asked Rabbi Sholom Kamenetsky Shlita 
		whether his letter 
		[of approbation]
		
		
		in the sefer 
		
		[Torah and Science 
		by 
		Rabbi Slifkin] 
		could 
		be taken as expressing agreement with Rabbi Slifkin's approach. 
		
		
		 Rabbi Kamenetsky has given me 
		permission to forward his response to Avodah. It is addressed to me by 
		my Hebrew name ("Yoel" 
		[Ostroff]). 
		
		
		 September 13, 2004 
		
		
		Dear R' Yoel,  
		
		
		Thank you for the note. My name does appear in his 
		book and a careful reading of the haskomo will show that I gave 
		no haskomo on the content. What impressed me about the book is 
		its science. The uninitiated unlettered Jew often finds that the 
		responses he gets when he questions the seeming incompatibility between 
		science and Torah (l'havdil) are lacking.  
		 
		The science in the book is impressive, but I do not agree with the 
		positions he takes in the Torah. True, he has "unconventional"
		
		
		sources that would lend some credibility to the 
		theories he proposes, but I see these as "suggestions" (based on 
		somewhat spurious understandings of unconventional sources) that are to 
		allow the uninitiated to feel that he can begin learning Torah, and see 
		for himself that the issues are irrelevant. More than anything else, RNS 
		should be lauded for trying his best to defend the Torah against a group 
		of apikorsim that are bent on mocking Torah and disseminating science as 
		the "proof" that Torah is false, Rachmono litzlan. But to say that these 
		theories have credibility as Torah positions was not my intent in my 
		letter of approbation. I agree with Rabbi Bechofer and there is no such 
		thing as scientific evidence which is "incontrovertible". 
		
		
		 Respectfully, 
		
		
		Sholom Kamenetsky 
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